[GTER] Cobranca ou nao do GT-ER

Jose Roberto B. Gimenez jroberto em unesp.br
Sexta Abril 12 11:54:00 BRT 2002


RE: [GTER] Cobranca ou nao do GT-ERPorém, destaco um trecho do tread que mostra que o problema deles é outro.

 .....there are already too many people who don't belong at a NANOG showing up and crowding the rooms because they didn't know what to expect. Keeping the costs slightly high .....

Enquanto eles desejam reduzir e elitizar a participação, aqui o problema maior parece ser do pessoal que se cadatra e não comparece.

José Roberto.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Reinaldo Penno 
  To: gter em eng.registro.br 
  Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:05 PM
  Subject: RE: [GTER] Cobranca ou nao do GT-ER


  Excelente thread..Reforca a minha teoria e de outros (vc, Claus, etc). 

  >-----Original Message----- 
  >From: Fernando Krahe [mailto:fernando em optiglobe.net.br] 
  >Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 6:50 AM 
  >To: gter em eng.registro.br 
  >Subject: [GTER] Cobranca ou nao do GT-ER 
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  >Tem um thread na lista NANOG questionando o destino da receita das 
  >inscricoes. Algumas ideias ja foram discutidas na nossa lista. Abaixo 
  >ha alguns trechos. 
  > 
  >Fernando 
  > 
  >> >We used to pay $150 or so to attend NANOG conferences. 
  >> > Why are we charged $300 now?  Where is our $150,000+ 
  >> >going? 
  >> 
  >> To be perfectly honest, I'm more than happy with the cost of the 
  >> NANOG  conference. 
  >> 
  >> I get probably 2 or 3 invitations to "conferences" every week 
  >> through the  post, and they're all the equivalent of $2000 upwards 
  >> for a 1 or 2 day  conference. And these conferences are more a 
  >> marketting hype, so will be  *heavily* sponsored by the companies 
  >> who present at them. 
  >> 
  >> So, $300 for a 3 day conference, where it's stuff that's actually 
  >> relevant  and useful to my job, and isn't just a marketting 
  >> exercise by the vendors  who spam me with plenty of material 
  >> anyway, is, in my view, good value for  money. 
  >- ----- 
  >> Also, you must realize that not everyone gets hit with the $300 
  >> charge.   Hosts and presenters get free admission, and students get 
  >> a greatly reduced  fee. 
  >> 
  >> As other people say, this is probably the best value for your money 
  >> of  anything else.  You get to hear what is going on, you get to 
  >> put faces to  names (and voices), and you get to talk shop with 
  >> others in your field  without all the "business" people around 
  >> saying what you can and can't say.  
  >> 
  >- ----- 
  >> It all depends on your financial status. I can think of quite a few 
  >> very competent "industry" people who have been unable to attend the 
  >> recent nanogs due to their companies either having gone under or 
  >> being in the process of going under. 
  >> 
  >> But then again, there are already too many people who don't belong 
  >> at a NANOG showing up and crowding the rooms because they didn't 
  >> know what to expect. Keeping the costs slightly high does help both 
  >> companies and individuals consider carefully if they really care 
  >> about all the geekiness that goes on there, or if they are better 
  >> off pursuing their "CCNA to be"   careers through some other means. 
  >> Not being elitist, just being realistic  on what some people expect 
  >> to get out of going to the conferences. This  isn't Defcon after 
  >> all. :) 
  >> 
  >> So while I agree that it probably doesn't cost more then a few 
  >> peoples time for a few weeks, and the money is probably going to 
  >> fund other Merit  activities, I'm not certain that I'd want the 
  >> prices dropped much lower.  Unless of course, they'd like to give 
  >> discounts for people who have  attended many past NANOGs are who 
  >> are now unemployeed. :) 
  > 
  >- ----- Original Message ----- 
  >From: "Susan Harris" <srh em merit.edu> 
  >To: "Richard A Steenbergen" <ras em e-gerbil.net> 
  >Cc: "NANOG" <nanog em merit.edu> 
  >Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 6:49 PM 
  >Subject: Re: NANOG costs 
  > 
  > 
  >> 
  >> > Unless of course, they'd like to give discounts for people who 
  >> > have  attended many past NANOGs are who are now unemployeed. :) 
  >> 
  >> Unfortunately discounts just aren't feasible - there'd be 
  >> administrative problems and questions of fairness to other 
  >> attendees (and to Merit, since our per-attendee costs wouldn't 
  >> change.) Plus, we're not sure it would solve the problem, 
  >> considering everyone's high travel and hotel costs.  
  >> 
  >> There's always multicast and RealAudio ... 
  >> 
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