[GTER] Cobranca ou nao do GT-ER
Jose Roberto B. Gimenez
jroberto em unesp.br
Sexta Abril 12 11:54:00 BRT 2002
RE: [GTER] Cobranca ou nao do GT-ERPorém, destaco um trecho do tread que mostra que o problema deles é outro.
.....there are already too many people who don't belong at a NANOG showing up and crowding the rooms because they didn't know what to expect. Keeping the costs slightly high .....
Enquanto eles desejam reduzir e elitizar a participação, aqui o problema maior parece ser do pessoal que se cadatra e não comparece.
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From: Reinaldo Penno
To: gter em eng.registro.br
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:05 PM
Subject: RE: [GTER] Cobranca ou nao do GT-ER
Excelente thread..Reforca a minha teoria e de outros (vc, Claus, etc).
>From: Fernando Krahe [mailto:fernando em optiglobe.net.br]
>Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 6:50 AM
>To: gter em eng.registro.br
>Subject: [GTER] Cobranca ou nao do GT-ER
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>Tem um thread na lista NANOG questionando o destino da receita das
>inscricoes. Algumas ideias ja foram discutidas na nossa lista. Abaixo
>ha alguns trechos.
>> >We used to pay $150 or so to attend NANOG conferences.
>> > Why are we charged $300 now? Where is our $150,000+
>> To be perfectly honest, I'm more than happy with the cost of the
>> NANOG conference.
>> I get probably 2 or 3 invitations to "conferences" every week
>> through the post, and they're all the equivalent of $2000 upwards
>> for a 1 or 2 day conference. And these conferences are more a
>> marketting hype, so will be *heavily* sponsored by the companies
>> who present at them.
>> So, $300 for a 3 day conference, where it's stuff that's actually
>> relevant and useful to my job, and isn't just a marketting
>> exercise by the vendors who spam me with plenty of material
>> anyway, is, in my view, good value for money.
>> Also, you must realize that not everyone gets hit with the $300
>> charge. Hosts and presenters get free admission, and students get
>> a greatly reduced fee.
>> As other people say, this is probably the best value for your money
>> of anything else. You get to hear what is going on, you get to
>> put faces to names (and voices), and you get to talk shop with
>> others in your field without all the "business" people around
>> saying what you can and can't say.
>> It all depends on your financial status. I can think of quite a few
>> very competent "industry" people who have been unable to attend the
>> recent nanogs due to their companies either having gone under or
>> being in the process of going under.
>> But then again, there are already too many people who don't belong
>> at a NANOG showing up and crowding the rooms because they didn't
>> know what to expect. Keeping the costs slightly high does help both
>> companies and individuals consider carefully if they really care
>> about all the geekiness that goes on there, or if they are better
>> off pursuing their "CCNA to be" careers through some other means.
>> Not being elitist, just being realistic on what some people expect
>> to get out of going to the conferences. This isn't Defcon after
>> all. :)
>> So while I agree that it probably doesn't cost more then a few
>> peoples time for a few weeks, and the money is probably going to
>> fund other Merit activities, I'm not certain that I'd want the
>> prices dropped much lower. Unless of course, they'd like to give
>> discounts for people who have attended many past NANOGs are who
>> are now unemployeed. :)
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>From: "Susan Harris" <srh em merit.edu>
>To: "Richard A Steenbergen" <ras em e-gerbil.net>
>Cc: "NANOG" <nanog em merit.edu>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 6:49 PM
>Subject: Re: NANOG costs
>> > Unless of course, they'd like to give discounts for people who
>> > have attended many past NANOGs are who are now unemployeed. :)
>> Unfortunately discounts just aren't feasible - there'd be
>> administrative problems and questions of fairness to other
>> attendees (and to Merit, since our per-attendee costs wouldn't
>> change.) Plus, we're not sure it would solve the problem,
>> considering everyone's high travel and hotel costs.
>> There's always multicast and RealAudio ...
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