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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Porém, destaco um trecho do tread que mostra que o
problema deles é outro.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV> <FONT size=2>.....there are already too many people who don't
belong<FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT size=2>at a NANOG showing up and crowding
the rooms because they didn't</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT size=2>know
what to expect. Keeping the costs slightly high .....</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial>Enquanto eles desejam reduzir e elitizar
a participação, aqui o problema maior parece ser do pessoal que se cadatra
e não comparece.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>José Roberto.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=reinaldo_penno@nortelnetworks.com
href="mailto:reinaldo_penno@nortelnetworks.com">Reinaldo Penno</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=gter@eng.registro.br
href="mailto:gter@eng.registro.br">gter@eng.registro.br</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:05
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [GTER] Cobranca ou nao do
GT-ER</DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>Excelente thread..Reforca a minha teoria e de outros (vc,
Claus, etc).</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>>From: Fernando Krahe [<A
href="mailto:fernando@optiglobe.net.br">mailto:fernando@optiglobe.net.br</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>>Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 6:50 AM</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>>To: <A
href="mailto:gter@eng.registro.br">gter@eng.registro.br</A></FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>>Subject: [GTER] Cobranca ou nao do GT-ER</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>>Hash: SHA1</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>>Tem um thread na lista NANOG questionando o destino da receita
das</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>inscricoes. Algumas ideias ja foram discutidas
na nossa lista. Abaixo</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>ha alguns trechos.</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>Fernando</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>> >We used to pay $150 or so to
attend NANOG conferences.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>> > Why are we
charged $300 now? Where is our $150,000+</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>>> >going?</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>> </FONT><BR><FONT
size=2>>> To be perfectly honest, I'm more than happy with the cost of
the</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>> NANOG conference.</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>>> I get probably 2 or 3
invitations to "conferences" every week</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>>
through the post, and they're all the equivalent of $2000 upwards</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>>> for a 1 or 2 day conference. And these
conferences are more a</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>> marketting hype, so
will be *heavily* sponsored by the companies</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>>> who present at them.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>>
</FONT><BR><FONT size=2>>> So, $300 for a 3 day conference, where it's
stuff that's actually</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>> relevant and
useful to my job, and isn't just a marketting</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>>
exercise by the vendors who spam me with plenty of material</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>>> anyway, is, in my view, good value for
money.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>- -----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>>
Also, you must realize that not everyone gets hit with the $300</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>>> charge. Hosts and presenters get free
admission, and students get</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>> a greatly
reduced fee.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>> </FONT><BR><FONT
size=2>>> As other people say, this is probably the best value for your
money</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>> of anything else. You get
to hear what is going on, you get to</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>> put
faces to names (and voices), and you get to talk shop with</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>>> others in your field without all the
"business" people around</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>> saying what you can
and can't say. </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>>> </FONT><BR><FONT
size=2>>- -----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>> It all depends on your
financial status. I can think of quite a few</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>>
very competent "industry" people who have been unable to attend the</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>>> recent nanogs due to their companies either having
gone under or</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>> being in the process of going
under.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>>> But
then again, there are already too many people who don't belong</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>>> at a NANOG showing up and crowding the rooms because
they didn't</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>> know what to expect. Keeping the
costs slightly high does help both</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>> companies
and individuals consider carefully if they really care</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>>> about all the geekiness that goes on there, or if they are
better</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>> off pursuing their "CCNA to
be" careers through some other means.</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>>> Not being elitist, just being realistic on what some
people expect</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>> to get out of going to the
conferences. This isn't Defcon after</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>>
all. :)</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>>> So
while I agree that it probably doesn't cost more then a few</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>>> peoples time for a few weeks, and the money is probably going
to</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>> fund other Merit activities, I'm not
certain that I'd want the</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>> prices dropped much
lower. Unless of course, they'd like to give</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>>> discounts for people who have attended many past NANOGs
are who</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>> are now unemployeed. :)</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>- ----- Original Message
----- </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>>From: "Susan Harris"
<srh@merit.edu></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>To: "Richard A Steenbergen"
<ras@e-gerbil.net></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>Cc: "NANOG"
<nanog@merit.edu></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>Sent: Wednesday, April 10,
2002 6:49 PM</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>Subject: Re: NANOG costs</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>>> > Unless of course, they'd
like to give discounts for people who</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>> >
have attended many past NANOGs are who are now unemployeed. :)</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>>> Unfortunately
discounts just aren't feasible - there'd be</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>>
administrative problems and questions of fairness to other</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>>> attendees (and to Merit, since our per-attendee costs
wouldn't</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>> change.) Plus, we're not sure it
would solve the problem,</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>> considering
everyone's high travel and hotel costs. </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>>>
</FONT><BR><FONT size=2>>> There's always multicast and RealAudio
...</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>></FONT>
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