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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Esse projeto ja eh bem antigo. Eh obrigatorio para quem goata de QoS.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>From: Claus Rugani Topke [<A HREF="mailto:claus@kerntec.net">mailto:claus@kerntec.net</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 12:13 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>To: gter@eng.registro.br</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Subject: RE: Netfow (era Re: [GTER] NAP Carrier Neutral)</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Navegando nas apresentações do Saint2002, achei o seguinte:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>><A HREF="http://www.csl.sony.co.jp/~kjc/software.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.csl.sony.co.jp/~kjc/software.html</A></FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>At 16:08 15/4/2002 -0300, you wrote:</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>>Sim Claus, seria apenas</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>><A HREF="http://www.itrc.net/sympo/saint2002/" TARGET="_blank">http://www.itrc.net/sympo/saint2002/</A></FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>>Foi um pequeno problema de zzzz.</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>>Rubens</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>>From: gter-admin@eng.registro.br </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>[<A HREF="mailto:gter-admin@eng.registro.br">mailto:gter-admin@eng.registro.br</A>] On</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>>Behalf Of Claus Rugani Topke</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>>Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 3:42 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>>To: gter@eng.registro.br</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>>Subject: Re: Netfow (era Re: [GTER] NAP Carrier Neutral)</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>>At 00:34 15/4/2002 -0300, you wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> >Uma apresentação interessante a esse respeito:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>><<A HREF="http://www.itrc.net/sympo/saint2002/pdf/Quittek.pdf" TARGET="_blank">http://www.itrc.net/sympo/saint2002/pdf/Quittek.pdf</A>><A HREF="http://ww" TARGET="_blank">http://ww</A></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>w.itrc.ne</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> >t/sympo/saint2002/pdf/Quittek.pdf</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>>Muito boa !</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> >Aliás, essa conferência tem várias palestras interessantes ligadas a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> >medições:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>><<A HREF="http://www.itrc.net/sympo/saint2002/pdf/Quittek.pdf" TARGET="_blank">http://www.itrc.net/sympo/saint2002/pdf/Quittek.pdf</A>><A HREF="http://ww" TARGET="_blank">http://ww</A></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>w.itrc.ne</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>>t/sympo/saint2002/pdf/Quittek.pdf</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>>Seria <A HREF="http://www.itrc.net/sympo/saint2002/" TARGET="_blank">http://www.itrc.net/sympo/saint2002/</A> ???</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>>Claus</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> >Rubens Kühl Jr.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> >----- Original Message -----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> >From: <<A HREF="mailto:reinaldo_penno@nortelnetworks.com">mailto:reinaldo_penno@nortelnetworks.com</A>>Reinaldo Penno</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> >To: <<A HREF="mailto:gter@eng.registro.br">mailto:gter@eng.registro.br</A>>gter@eng.registro.br</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> >Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 10:35 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> >Subject: RE: Netfow (era Re: [GTER] NAP Carrier Neutral)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> >Na verdade o CRANE eh muito usado em enterprises. Conheco mais de 20</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> >vendors que o implementa. E so foi tornado publico a pouco tempo.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> >O LFAP eh um protocolo da riverstone, que apesar de ser um empresa</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>>jovem</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> >ja emplacou seu protocolo de flow accounting.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> >O netflow foi o precursor.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> >O IPfix WG escolhera um dos tres para se tornar o padrao. Acho que</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> >discutir qual o proposito de um protocolo de flow </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>accounting, como sao</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>>os</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> >flow records/templates, a nomenclatura e o que ela </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>significa (exporter,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> >collector, mediator) sem falar em productos seria benefica </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>pois todos</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>>os</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> >protocolos seguem a mesma linha.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> >Poderiamos entao entrar nos especificos.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> >abracos,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> >Reinaldo</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >From: Manta, Marcelo [BLMES:0B70:EXCH]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 10:07 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >To: gter@eng.registro.br</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >Subject: Re: Netfow (era Re: [GTER] NAP Carrier Neutral)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >É deve falar na última transparência, como exemplos de outras</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >iniciativas que não decolaram certo? ;-)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >PS: Certo, vamos dar uma chance para o IPfix.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >"Penno, Reinaldo [SC9:T327:EXCH]" wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> tutorial deve falar/comparar com os outros protocolos do</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >genero, CRANE</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> (Xacct), LFAP (Riverstone). Alem de falar sobre o IPfix.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> abracos,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> Reinaldo</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >From: Claus Rugani Topke</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > [<<A HREF="mailto:claus@kerntec.net">mailto:claus@kerntec.net</A>><A HREF="mailto:claus@kerntec.net">mailto:claus@kerntec.net</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 8:13 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >To: gter@eng.registro.br</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >Subject: RE: Netfow (era Re: [GTER] NAP Carrier Neutral)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >At 11:11 12/4/2002 -0300, you wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>E já temos um Clausdidato a dar esse tutorial...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >:-)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>Rubens</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>From: gter-admin@eng.registro.br</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>>[<<A HREF="mailto:gter-admin@eng.registro.br">mailto:gter-admin@eng.registro.br</A>><A HREF="mailto:gter-admin@eng.registro">mailto:gter-admin@eng.registro</A></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >.br]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > On</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>Behalf Of Fernando Krahe</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 10:24 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>To: gter@eng.registro.br</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>Subject: Netfow (era Re: [GTER] NAP Carrier Neutral)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>Hash: SHA1</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>Agora que mencionaste, me lembrei que Netflow poderia </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>ser um bom</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>tutorial para um proximo evento. Recordo de um interessante</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>tutorial em um Nanog recente que abordava "Basic ISP Traffic</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >Engineering</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>Tools and Practices". Esse tutorial abordava varias </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>ferramentas</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> uteis</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>mas que poucos conhecem/implementam. Alem de Netflow, tinha</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> Flowscan,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>Cflow, RRDTool, ... Esses temas poderiam constar da lista de</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >sugestao de</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>apresentacoes, se eh que ja nao estao.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>Fernando</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>- ----- Original Message -----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>From: "Leandro Bertholdo" <berthold@penta.ufrgs.br></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>To: <gter@eng.registro.br></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 3:39 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>Subject: Re: [GTER] NAP Carrier Neutral</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>Oi Demi,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >> >meta. Certamente concordo que não há muito espaço para</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >> >inciativas heróicas...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>Humm...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>Acho que muitas vezes a questao nao eh heroismo, mas sim</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >necessidade</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> e</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>bom senso. Por exemplo, aqui no Rio Grande do Sul a distancia</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >geodeseica</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>entre o CPD da UFRGS (onde hoje esta o PTT) e provedores de</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >informacoes</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>como Terra, ClickRBS e Procergs (sendo os dois ultimos "peso</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >pena" - nas</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>palavras do Manta :-) nao passa de 5Km. No entanto, a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> acessibilidade</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>estadual depende da conectividade e custo de </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>interligacao a Sao</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> Paulo.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>O custo torna o PTT uma boa ideia (nao heroica). É</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >matematica. Basta</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>considerar uma matriz de trafego (regional x nacional) - essa</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>mesma matriz, que ai em Sao Paulo faz pouco sentido.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>Por aqui os "peso pena" juntos tem uma representacao bem</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> significativa</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>no trafego total. Embora alguns ainda nao tenham se dado</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >conta, ou seja,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>não fizeram o dever de casa instalando um netflow e </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>analisando o</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>trafego....</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>Acredito firmemente que esse mesmo argumento sirva para duas</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>outras cidades como Rio de Janeiro e Belo Horizonte. É so as</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>instituicoes</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>representabilidade em cada cidade tentarem se organizar. A</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> viabilidade</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>economica é totalmente mensuravel (custo/Mb_SP X</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >custo/Mb_regional),</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>embora a decisao seja politica/estrategica.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>Atenciosamente</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > >> >>Leandro Marcio Bertholdo</FONT>
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