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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Excelente thread..Reforca a minha teoria e de outros (vc, Claus, etc).</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>From: Fernando Krahe [<A HREF="mailto:fernando@optiglobe.net.br">mailto:fernando@optiglobe.net.br</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 6:50 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>To: gter@eng.registro.br</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Subject: [GTER] Cobranca ou nao do GT-ER</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Tem um thread na lista NANOG questionando o destino da receita das</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>inscricoes. Algumas ideias ja foram discutidas na nossa lista. Abaixo</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>ha alguns trechos.</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Fernando</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> >We used to pay $150 or so to attend NANOG conferences.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > Why are we charged $300 now? Where is our $150,000+</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> >going?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> To be perfectly honest, I'm more than happy with the cost of the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> NANOG conference.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> I get probably 2 or 3 invitations to "conferences" every week</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> through the post, and they're all the equivalent of $2000 upwards</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> for a 1 or 2 day conference. And these conferences are more a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> marketting hype, so will be *heavily* sponsored by the companies</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> who present at them.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> So, $300 for a 3 day conference, where it's stuff that's actually</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> relevant and useful to my job, and isn't just a marketting</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> exercise by the vendors who spam me with plenty of material</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> anyway, is, in my view, good value for money.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>- -----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> Also, you must realize that not everyone gets hit with the $300</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> charge. Hosts and presenters get free admission, and students get</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> a greatly reduced fee.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> As other people say, this is probably the best value for your money</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> of anything else. You get to hear what is going on, you get to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> put faces to names (and voices), and you get to talk shop with</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> others in your field without all the "business" people around</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> saying what you can and can't say. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>- -----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> It all depends on your financial status. I can think of quite a few</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> very competent "industry" people who have been unable to attend the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> recent nanogs due to their companies either having gone under or</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> being in the process of going under.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> But then again, there are already too many people who don't belong</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> at a NANOG showing up and crowding the rooms because they didn't</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> know what to expect. Keeping the costs slightly high does help both</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> companies and individuals consider carefully if they really care</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> about all the geekiness that goes on there, or if they are better</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> off pursuing their "CCNA to be" careers through some other means.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> Not being elitist, just being realistic on what some people expect</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> to get out of going to the conferences. This isn't Defcon after</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> all. :)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> So while I agree that it probably doesn't cost more then a few</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> peoples time for a few weeks, and the money is probably going to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> fund other Merit activities, I'm not certain that I'd want the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> prices dropped much lower. Unless of course, they'd like to give</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> discounts for people who have attended many past NANOGs are who</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> are now unemployeed. :)</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>- ----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>From: "Susan Harris" <srh@merit.edu></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>To: "Richard A Steenbergen" <ras@e-gerbil.net></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@merit.edu></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 6:49 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Subject: Re: NANOG costs</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > Unless of course, they'd like to give discounts for people who</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> > have attended many past NANOGs are who are now unemployeed. :)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> Unfortunately discounts just aren't feasible - there'd be</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> administrative problems and questions of fairness to other</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> attendees (and to Merit, since our per-attendee costs wouldn't</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> change.) Plus, we're not sure it would solve the problem,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> considering everyone's high travel and hotel costs. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> There's always multicast and RealAudio ...</FONT>
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