[GTER] Fwd: [irc] Internet Reunion Club Meeting - Presentation

[Demi Getschko]

Segue de novo, agora com o linque para a apresentação...

On 10/10/25 12:27, Demi Getschko via gter wrote:
> (do fundo do Baú, Milo Medin (NSI) enviou uma apresentação dele ao 
> IETF sobre a "guerra de protocolos"

https://eng.registro.br/irc/IETF29-FIRP-Slides.pdf

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> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:     Re: [irc] Internet Reunion Club Meeting - Presentation
> Date:     Thu, 9 Oct 2025 21:03:23 -0700
> From:     Milo Medin <medin at milomedin.com>
> Reply-To:     irc at internet2.edu
> To:     irc at internet2.edu
> CC:     Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter at gmail.com>, Dennis 
> Jennings, Knous <Dennis.Jennings at knous.ie>, Vint Cerf <vint at google.com>
>
>
>
> Sorry I couldn't join the call last month - I was traveling, but this 
> topic brought up many old memories from the Protocol wars. Yes, Energy 
> and NASA had extensive DECNet networks, and believed the propaganda 
> from DEC that it would create an "easy" transition path from DECNet to 
> OSI, and in the process would get broad interoperability.  This was 
> just an attempt to keep people on proprietary systems and networks 
> longer, and likely get them into a semi-unique profile for OSI that 
> would maintain vendor lock-in.
>
> My team (and others in NASA, esp our friends at JPL) viewed TCP/IP as 
> the right approach, and as the leader of the NASA Internet at the 
> time, my sponsor at NASA HQ (Tony Villasenor) got me appointed to the 
> Federal Internetworking Requirements Panel (FIRP), which was a cross 
> agency working group to make a recommendation on which way the Federal 
> Government should standardize for Internet technology, OSI or IP.    
> Steve (Wolff), you probably remember that group...
>
> I was surprised by how many people wanted to swallow the vendor's 
> recommendations and discard IP at that time.  Some of the meetings 
> were quite contentious, and at one point, I remember threatening that 
> if the panel recommended only OSI, that I would write a dissent and 
> send a letter to Sen. Jessie Helms (who was on one of the oversight 
> committees) about how the USG was going to throw away US technology 
> leadership and hand the future of communications to European 
> companies.  :)
>
> In the end, the panel recommended OSI and IP as co-standards, which of 
> course meant the death of OSI as the deployment rate and 
> effectiveness of the TCP/IP stack and Internet connectivity was 
> growing at a huge rate relative to OSI (both the 1st and 2nd 
> derivatives were positive).  The rest is history.
>
> I gave a presentation at one of the 1994 IETF on the FIRP - it's gone 
> from the IETF site but found a copy of my slides (attached). I even 
> remember telling a joke - "NASA is going to OSI, Mars and Pluto, 
> though not necessarily in that order... "  Fun days indeed!
>
> Thanks,
> Milo
>