[caiu] RES: RES: Reunindo dossiê de ISPs com má performance p/ YouTube
Adriano Macedo
adriano em mcinfor.com.br
Terça Julho 30 21:08:15 BRT 2013
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From: "Sergio Ferreira" <sergio em wgo.com.br>
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:53 PM
To: "Lista das indisponibilidades da Internet brasileira"
<caiu em eng.registro.br>
Subject: Re: [caiu] RES: RES: Reunindo dossiê de ISPs com má performance p/
YouTube
> Adriano / Ezequias,
>
> Quando vocês executam o comando a seguir, qual a resposta :
>
> nslookup -q=txt o-o.myaddr.l.google.com
>
>
> Sérgio Ferreira
> WGO Telecom
> 64 3411 3000
> 64 8119 1840
>
>
>
> Em 30/07/2013, às 20:39, Adriano Macedo escreveu:
>
>> Aqui também já fizemos escalas em todos os EUA e finalizamos a viagem em
>> "mia" com incríveis 360000 bits/s.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Ezequias J. Gonçalves (Foruns)" <foruns em totalvia.com.br>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:23 PM
>> To: "Lista das indisponibilidades da Internet brasileira"
>> <caiu em eng.registro.br>
>> Cc: "Lista das indisponibilidades da Internet brasileira"
>> <caiu em eng.registro.br>
>> Subject: Re: [caiu] RES: RES: Reunindo dossiê de ISPs com má performance
>> p/ YouTube
>>
>>> Depois de um dia em GRU, Agora momento o youtube esta dando uma volta
>>> pelos E.U.A, em menos de 10 min já passou por Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas e
>>> assim segue, daquele jeito,
>>> Ai se não fosse o cache
>>>
>>> Ezequias J. Gonçalves
>>> Icenet Telecomunicações
>>> Total Via Internet
>>>
>>> 18 3269-9100 18 9722-4382
>>>
>>> E-mail enviado em trânsito
>>>
>>> Em 30/07/2013, às 15:39, Marcio - Google <marciorp em gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>
>>>> Boa sorte ... vão precisar ... rsrsrsrsrs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [...]'s
>>>>
>>>> Marcio
>>>>
>>>> ========================================
>>>> ########### Campanha Ajude o Marcio! ###########
>>>> http://sosmarcio.blogspot.com.br/
>>>> http://www.vakinha.com.br/VaquinhaP.aspx?e=195793
>>>> ========================================
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Em 30 de julho de 2013 14:08, Alan Carneiro - CarajásNet <
>>>> alan em carajasnet.com> escreveu:
>>>>
>>>>> Mesmo assim vamos chamar a atenção lá...
>>>>>
>>>>> Talvez um assessor que siga o chefe leia e o avise...
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan Carneiro
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Mensagem Original----- From: Marcio - Google
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 3:01 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> To: Lista das indisponibilidades da Internet brasileira
>>>>> Subject: Re: [caiu]RES: RES: Reunindo dossiê de ISPs com má
>>>>> performance p/
>>>>> YouTube
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> É
>>>>> brincadeira a sugestão né?
>>>>>
>>>>> Duvido que ele leia esses e-mais, além do mais, a GB é só pra vender
>>>>> anúncios, nada mais!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [...]'s
>>>>>
>>>>> Marcio
>>>>>
>>>>> ==============================**==========
>>>>> ########### Campanha Ajude o Marcio! ###########
>>>>> http://sosmarcio.blogspot.com.**br/
>>>>> <http://sosmarcio.blogspot.com.br/>
>>>>> http://www.vakinha.com.br/**VaquinhaP.aspx?e=195793<http://www.vakinha.com.br/VaquinhaP.aspx?e=195793>
>>>>> ==============================**==========
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Em 30 de julho de 2013 13:54, Vagner <vagnerjunior em gmail.com>
>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>
>>>>> Será que o Presidente da google no Brasil não pode fazer nada ?
>>>>>> https://plus.google.com/**110802921733121580011/posts<https://plus.google.com/110802921733121580011/posts>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Enviar alguns emails para ele
>>>>>> será que não vão acordar ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Em 30 de julho de 2013 14:49, Marcio - Google <marciorp em gmail.com>
>>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fabio, ok!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Só uma correção, funcionam em termos. Nenhum chega a 50% da
>>>>>>> eficiência
>>>>>>> de
>>>>>>> um GGC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Além disso, o outro complicador é o custo. Poucos, mas poucos ISPs
>>>>>>> mesmo
>>>>>>> tem grana pra comprar um cache físico de primeira, que conseguirá
>>>>>>> 50% da
>>>>>>> eficiência de um GGC. Os *meia-bocas" se conseguirem 15% já é lucro.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Outra questão é, mesmo os que tem grana pra comprar um de primeira
>>>>>>> irão
>>>>>>> gastar uma pequena fortuna para resolver um problema que nem deles
>>>>>>> é?
>>>>>> Como
>>>>>>> eles terão o "pay back"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Quem vai lucra com isso é o Google, com mais usuários assistindo
>>>>>>> vídeos,
>>>>>>> vendo anúncios e clicando neles. Então quem tem que resolver o
>>>>>>> problema?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pra mim é o Google! Só que não vai resolver por bem, afinal pra que
>>>>>>> eles
>>>>>>> vão investir em GGCs se quem fica escutando reclamação e tendo que
>>>>>>> se
>>>>>> virar
>>>>>>> são os ISPs?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [...]'s
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marcio
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ==============================**==========
>>>>>>> ########### Campanha Ajude o Marcio! ###########
>>>>>>> http://sosmarcio.blogspot.com.**br/
>>>>>>> <http://sosmarcio.blogspot.com.br/>
>>>>>>> http://www.vakinha.com.br/**VaquinhaP.aspx?e=195793<http://www.vakinha.com.br/VaquinhaP.aspx?e=195793>
>>>>>>> ==============================**==========
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Em 30 de julho de 2013 13:36, Raul Olive <raul em novonet.com.br>
>>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Essa tal neutralidade que se lasque pra lá, porque eles não tão nem
>>>>>>>> ai
>>>>>>> com
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> neutralidade nossa com o cliente.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Os clientes não nos deixam neutros no problema!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Atenciosamente,
>>>>>>>> Raul Olive Eler
>>>>>>>> raul em novonet.com.br
>>>>>>>> Gerente de Tecnologia e Projetos
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Mensagem original-----
>>>>>>>> De: caiu-bounces em eng.registro.br [mailto:caiu-bounces em eng.**
>>>>>> registro.br <caiu-bounces em eng.registro.br>]
>>>>>>> Em
>>>>>>>> nome de Rafael Ribeiro
>>>>>>>> Enviada em: terça-feira, 30 de julho de 2013 13:05
>>>>>>>> Para: 'Lista das indisponibilidades da Internet brasileira'
>>>>>>>> Assunto: [caiu] RES: Reunindo dossiê de ISPs com má performance p/
>>>>>>> YouTube
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Não esqueça da neutralidade da rede!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Mensagem original-----
>>>>>>>> De: caiu-bounces em eng.registro.br [mailto:caiu-bounces em eng.**
>>>>>> registro.br <caiu-bounces em eng.registro.br>]
>>>>>>> Em
>>>>>>>> nome de Marcio - Google Enviada em: terça-feira, 30 de julho de
>>>>>>>> 2013
>>>>>>> 12:53
>>>>>>>> Para: Lista das indisponibilidades da Internet brasileira
>>>>>>>> Assunto: Re: [caiu] Reunindo dossiê de ISPs com má performance p/
>>>>>> YouTube
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> É simples resolver esse problema!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Já ouviram falar em boicote?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Basta os ISP bloquearem o acesso ao youtube por 3-5 dias
>>>>>>>> direcionando
>>>>>>> para
>>>>>>>> uma página padrão informando o motivo, de forma clara e simples!
>>>>>>>> Tipo,
>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>> máximo 10 palavras pros "usuários" não terem preguiça de ler e
>>>>>>>> principalmente, entender.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tenho absoluta certeza que o Google vai entender o recado e se
>>>>>>>> mexer,
>>>>>> por
>>>>>>>> motivos simples:
>>>>>>>> 1. Os anunciantes irão em cima deles;
>>>>>>>> 2. Haverá perda de receita;
>>>>>>>> 3. A mídia urubu vai cair matando.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> O problema que brasileiro é tão acomodado que tem preguiça de se
>>>>>>>> unir
>>>>>> até
>>>>>>>> para resolver os próprios problemas!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ficam esperando essas "entidades" inúteis e oportunistas, que só >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> pensam
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>> próprio bolso!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [...]'s
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Marcio
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ==============================**==========
>>>>>>>> ########### Campanha Ajude o Marcio! ###########
>>>>>>>> http://sosmarcio.blogspot.com.**br/<http://sosmarcio.blogspot.com.br/>
>>>>>>>> http://www.vakinha.com.br/**VaquinhaP.aspx?e=195793<http://www.vakinha.com.br/VaquinhaP.aspx?e=195793>
>>>>>>>> ==============================**==========
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Em 30 de julho de 2013 11:17, Eduardo Schoedler
>>>>>>>> <listas em esds.com.br>escreveu:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Eu fico me perguntando porque eles não disponibilizam um ISO para
>>>>>>>>> subir um GGC em um hardware nosso?
>>>>>>>>> É muito simples: a gente sobe o servidor, eles acessam e verificam
>>>>>>>> tudo...
>>>>>>>>> e se estiverem de acordo (estiver tudo em um padrão bom), basta >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> subir
>>>>>>>>> o bgp, aceitando somente os anúncios do nosso AS (até pq sempre
>>>>>>>>> vai
>>>>>>>>> ter um espertinho para fazer uma gambi hehe).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Em 30 de julho de 2013 10:25, Kurt Kraut <listas em kurtkraut.net>
>>>>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Olá,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Não acho que seja esse o nosso caso. O que evidenciei ao Google >
>>>>>>>>> com
>>>>>>>>>> meu dossiê é que em horários de pico diário, o GGC do PTT-SP e da
>>>>>>>>>> GVT não aguentam a demanda e servem conteúdo com a performance
>>>>>>>> degradada.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A situação no Brasil é diametralmente oposta ao da matéria
>>>>>>>>>> gringa:
>>>>>>>>>> aqui
>>>>>>>>> nós
>>>>>>>>>> pedimos e oferecemos infraestrutura para que o GGC seja
>>>>>>>>>> implantado
>>>>>>>>>> em múltiplos pontos (ex.: a anos o pessoal do PTT-Campinas luta >
>>>>>>>>> por
>>>>>>>>>> isso) e
>>>>>>>>> o
>>>>>>>>>> Google simplesmente ignora. Recusam qualquer alternativa de "BYOD
>>>>>>>>>> GGC" e dificultam propositadamente que dispositivos de cache
>>>>>>>>>> armazenem os
>>>>>>>>> vídeos.
>>>>>>>>>> Todos funcionam por meio de workaround/gambiarra.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Enquanto o Google não tiver um outro competidor significativo
>>>>>>>>>> para
>>>>>> o
>>>>>>>>>> produto YouTube, enquanto o faturamento dos anúncios estiver bom
>>>>>>>>>> e
>>>>>>>>> enquanto
>>>>>>>>>> os usuários continuarem culpando os ISPs em vez do próprio Google
>>>>>>>>>> pela má performance, não vejo qualquer indício que o quadro mude.
>>>>>>>>>> Porque boa vontade para resolver o problema o Google deixou claro
>>>>>>>>>> para mim que não tem.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Abraços,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kurt Kraut
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Em 29 de julho de 2013 20:55, Rodrigo Jabur <listas em jabur.net>
>>>>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> YouSlowTube.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Muito bem explicado pelo Jon Brodkin alguns dos motivos da
>>>>>>>>>>> lentidão do YouTube, pode não ser o nosso caso, mas vale a pena
>>>>>>>>>>> dar
>>>>>>>> uma lida.
>>>>>> http://arstechnica.com/**information-technology/2013/**
>>>>>> 07/why-youtube-buff<http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/why-youtube-buff>
>>>>>>>>> ers-the-secret-deals-that-**make-and-break-online-video/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Em 16 de julho de 2013 17:37, Felipe Orlandelli Nanci
>>>>>>>>>>> <felipemhz em gmail.com>escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Só normalizou nos últimos 3 dias no link da Vivo
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> X.x.x.x. => tiws-mia1 e tiws-mia5
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> Felipe Orlandelli Nanci
>>>>>>>>>>>> Stetnet Telecom
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 16 de julho de 2013 14:38, Alan Carneiro - CarajásNet <
>>>>>>>>>>>> alan em carajasnet.com> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pra mim continua travando e com lentidão...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan Carneiro
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CarajásNet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Mensagem Original----- From: NOC Globalwave
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 10:49 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Lista das indisponibilidades da Internet brasileira
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [caiu]Reunindo dossiê de ISPs com má > > > > >
>>>>>>>> performance
>>>>>>>>>>>>> p/
>>>>>>>>>>> YouTube
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bom dia Prezados,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Imagino que o relatório do Kurt surtiu algum efeito.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tínhamos algumas reclamações em Maio de lentidão noturna,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> porém há
>>>>>>>>>> uns
>>>>>>>>>>> 15
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dias não tivemos mais reclamações.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Como estamos utilizando trânsito IPv6 do PTT, ao efetuar
>>>>>>>>>>>>> testes
>>>>>>>>> pelo
>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirector está resolvendo o GGC gru03s09 e está funcionando
>>>>>>>>>>>> perfeitamente,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mesmo em videos HD 1080p.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOC - Globalwave Telecom
>>>>>>>>>>>>> iNOC-BR: 28192*100
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.globalwave.com.br
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 11 de julho de 2013 13:21, Felipe Orlandelli Nanci
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <felipemhz em gmail.com>escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alguém mais continua com problemas para acessar o Youtube
>>>>>>>>>>>>> em
>>>>>>>>>>>> determinados
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> horários ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No link da VIVO, das 17h00 as 23h30 está horrível.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Felipe Orlandelli Nanci
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stetnet Telecom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 3 de julho de 2013 11:32, Eduardo Schoedler <
>>>>>>>>> listas em esds.com.br
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 3 de julho de 2013 11:27, Adriano Macedo <
>>>>>>>>>> adriano em mcinfor.com.br
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ontem acho que o GGC que estava me servindo só podia >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> da
>>>>>>>>> Lua.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Latência
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muito alta e nem vídeos em 144p carregavam.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Esse é o GRU mesmo... agravado por uma queda brusca de
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tráfego
>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>> PIX
>>>>>>>>>>>> da
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GBLX no PTT-SP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eduardo Schoedler
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