[caiu] RES: PTT SPO

Alexandre J. Correa - Onda Internet alexandre em onda.net.br
Sexta Dezembro 9 00:31:35 BRST 2011


seu anuncio mais especifico deveria controlar isso...

ja viu nos RS´s se suas rotas estao chegando assim como vc esta anunciando ?


On 09/12/2011 00:11, Klemenson Leal Anacleto wrote:
> Analisando o trafego de nossa rede nos deparamos com um grande trafego os
> outros 50% que perdemos do ptt vindo pela nossa operadora a GVT, google
> cache, tem alguma forma de solicitar a operadora que não passemos por esses
> caches? ou alguma outra forma de contornar isso, dessa forma a operadora
> acaba me forçando a usar o transito dela ao invés de usar o PTT.
>
>
>
> Klemenson Leal
>
> Em 8 de dezembro de 2011 23:05, Klemenson Leal Anacleto<klemenson at gmail.com
>> escreveu:
>> Aqui tinha até normalizado, mais hoje o dia todo já percebemos queda em
>> 50% do trafego com o PTT novamente...
>>
>> Para vocês normalizou ou ta da mesma forma?
>>
>>
>> Klemenson
>>
>> Em 7 de dezembro de 2011 14:29, Gustavo Santos<gustkiller at gmail.com>escreveu:
>>
>> Aqui em Salvador as operadoras que temos que nunca deram nem um soluço:
>>> TIWS e OI. A Oi chegou a pegar fogo por aqui , mas nosso acesso não caiu.
>>>
>>> Gustavo Santos
>>> Analista de Redes
>>> CCNA , MTCNA , MTCRE, MTCINE, JUNCIA-ER
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Em 7 de dezembro de 2011 11:35, Carlos Alberto
>>> <carlos at ibtelecom.net.br>escreveu:
>>>
>>>> A Ibtelecom, possui em Salvador uma grande capacidade de link com a
>>> Tiws e
>>>> somos bem atendido e temos também com a Intelig uma grande quantidade e
>>>> temos também com a Lan Nautilus em São Paulo que transportamos para
>>>> salvador via Lan to Lan da Intelig. nos cercamos dessas 3 operadoras
>>> para
>>>> manter um backup para manter a qualidade para os provedores que
>>> entregamos.
>>>> e temos também varios acordos bi-laterais de troca de trafego e somos
>>> Pix
>>>> do PTT-SSA e Pix do PTT-SP. o custo é um pouco alto para manter, mais
>>> vale
>>>> a pena ter um backup.
>>>>
>>>> Atenciosamente,
>>>> __________________________
>>>> Carlos Alberto de Souza
>>>> Chief Sales Officer
>>>> IB Telecomunicações - IB TELECOM
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>>>> CEP: 41820-020
>>>> Tel.: +55 (71) 2223-9374 / 9102-2325
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>>>> Em 7 de dezembro de 2011 11:25, Ricardo Landim<pangole at bol.com.br
>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>> A TIWS parece ser uma boa alternativa... tenho conhecidos em Fortaleza
>>>>> comprando a preços bem competitivos.
>>>>>
>>>>> Em 7 de dezembro de 2011 10:46, Gustavo Santos<gustkiller at gmail.com
>>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>> Salvador é relativamente bem servida.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Das grandes tem:  Tiws, Oi, Intelig, Gvt, Embratel. Sendo Tiws link
>>>>>> ssa>for>mia.
>>>>>> Gustavo Santos
>>>>>> Analista de Redes
>>>>>> CCNA , MTCNA , MTCRE, MTCINE, JUNCIA-ER
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Em 7 de dezembro de 2011 10:44, Juliano Primavesi
>>>>>> <juliano at kinghost.com.br>escreveu:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A propósito, em Salvador pelo menos, já tem GVT... Nao sei onde
>>> mais
>>>> no
>>>>>>> nordeste e centro-oeste... É uma excelente alternativa em custo
>>> para
>>>>> link
>>>>>>> adicional.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Enviado via KingPad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Em 07/12/2011, às 10:19, Klemenson Leal<klemenson at gmail.com>
>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>>>> Renato, falou tudo. É facil falar mude de operadora quando você
>>> tem
>>>>> um
>>>>>>> leque de escolhas.
>>>>>>>> Klemenson
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Enviado via iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Em 07/12/2011, às 08:04, Renato Machado<
>>> renato at redetuxnet.com.br>
>>>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>> Isso é bastante discutível em regiões como o Nordeste, que o
>>>>>>> "coronelismo
>>>>>>>>> de telecom"  ainda impera, vamos aos fatos.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Existem apenas quatro redes comerciais de abrangência nacional,
>>>> são
>>>>>> elas
>>>>>>>>> Eletronet (usada pela Unotel), Intelig (usada por inúmeras
>>>> empresas
>>>>> e
>>>>>>>>> pela própria intelig), Embratel e Oi, sendo que sabemos a
>>> politica
>>>>> da
>>>>>>>>> Embratel e da Oi, é de "não criar cobra para morder" temos como
>>>>>>>>> alternativas Intelig e Eletronet e em pequenos casos Twins
>>>>> (Fortaleza
>>>>>> e
>>>>>>>>> Salvador), sendo assim não é tão facil como de Minas Gerais
>>> para
>>>>> baixo
>>>>>>> que
>>>>>>>>> existem varias empresas que tem rede própria e tem preço,
>>> prazo de
>>>>>>>>> instalação.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Isso acabou forçando praticamente todos os provedores
>>> abandonarem
>>>> a
>>>>>> Oi e
>>>>>>>>> Embratel e ir em busca de Eletronet, Intelig e Twis, e criarem
>>>> redes
>>>>>>> para
>>>>>>>>> chegar aos POP's temos muitos casos de redes de mais de 1000km,
>>>> mais
>>>>>>> para
>>>>>>>>> chegar em São Paulo são outros 1898km no nosso caso, então
>>> cada um
>>>>>>> precisa
>>>>>>>>> abraçar sua realidade, mais acho que precisamos ser sérios em
>>>>>>> parâmetros de
>>>>>>>>> qualidade, infelizmente operadoras fazem o que quer inclusive
>>>> deixa
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> central de atendimento da ANATEL parada e nada acontece, pelo
>>>>> simples
>>>>>>> fato
>>>>>>>>> de pensamentos que repudia a melhora do serviço e acha como
>>> única
>>>>>>> solução
>>>>>>>>> pular de galho em galho.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Att,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Em 6 de dezembro de 2011 21:39, Eduardo Schoedler<
>>>>> listas at esds.com.br
>>>>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>> Escolha outra operadora, bgp é para isso mesmo.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Eduardo Schoedler
>>>>>>>>>> Enviado via iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Em 06/12/2011, às 22:35, Klemenson Leal<klemenson at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>> Dependendo da sua operadora nem mesmo transito é garantia de
>>>> nada,
>>>>>>> veja
>>>>>>>>>> a intelig.
>>>>>>>>>>> Klemenson
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Enviado via iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Em 06/12/2011, às 21:22, Eduardo Schoedler<
>>> listas at esds.com.br>
>>>>>>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tudo bem, mas ainda assim o PTT nao é nenhuma garantia e
>>> nunca
>>>>>> será.
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Eduardo Schoedler
>>>>>>>>>>>> Enviado via iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 06/12/2011, às 20:10, Klemenson Leal Anacleto<
>>>>>>> klemenson at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No nosso caso que estamos Em Campina Grande - PB conectados
>>>>>> através
>>>>>>> de
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lan2Lan é para economia de Transito mesmo, infelizmente
>>> nosso
>>>>> PTT
>>>>>>> local
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ainda não tem demanda suficiente 300Mb de trafego para o
>>>> Google
>>>>>> para
>>>>>>>>>>>>> obtermos um Cache do Google/GGC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lembrem-se a realidade do nosso preço de Transito aqui é
>>> bem
>>>>>>> diferente
>>>>>>>>>> da
>>>>>>>>>>>>> realidade de muitos que estão proximos ou conectados
>>>> fisicamente
>>>>>> ao
>>>>>>>>>> PTT.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Klemenson Leal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 6 de dezembro de 2011 18:49, Eduardo Schoedler<
>>>>>>> listas at esds.com.br
>>>>>>>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PTT é para melhorar, nao para deixar de comprar transito.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Se o Google ou qualquer outro quiser deixar de enviar
>>> trafego
>>>>> por
>>>>>>> ali,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paciência... é normal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eduardo Schoedler
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enviado via iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 06/12/2011, às 19:12, Klemenson Leal Anacleto<
>>>>>>> klemenson at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nosso trafego pelo PTT caiu da casa dos 20Mb para 6Mb...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Klemenson Leal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 6 de dezembro de 2011 17:43, Gustavo Santos<
>>>>>>> gustkiller at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Faz sentido, já que antes do problema chegou a dar pico
>>> de
>>>>>>> 20gbps (
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acredito (mero chute)  que seja o limite da interface da
>>>> GBLX
>>>>>>> com o
>>>>>>>>>> PTT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atualmente).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gustavo Santos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Analista de Redes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CCNA , MTCNA , MTCRE, MTCINE, JUNCIA-ER
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 6 de dezembro de 2011 18:24, Rubens Kuhl<
>>>>> rubensk at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Klemenson,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A administração do PTT já postou na Caiu que
>>> informações
>>>>> desse
>>>>>>>>>> tipo,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> se/quando disponíveis, são enviadas para a lista de
>>>> membros
>>>>> do
>>>>>>> PTT.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Os anúncios de rotas do PTT são publicados no RIPE RIS
>>> e
>>>> no
>>>>>>> Route
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Views quer pelo PTT quer por membros do PTT, então
>>> esses
>>>>>>> deveriam
>>>>>>>>>> ser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> os lugares a olhar para resolver dúvidas como essa... o
>>>>>> detalhe
>>>>>>> é
>>>>>>>>>> que
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> como o Google tem também uma CDN própria, eles podem
>>>>> manobrar
>>>>>>>>>> grandes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volumes de tráfego sem mudar rota, através de mudanças
>>>> quer
>>>>> na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resolução DNS quer sem mudança de resposta DNS, via
>>>> controle
>>>>>> de
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aplicação.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Um participante deixar de enviar algum tráfego pelo
>>> PTT é
>>>>>>>>>> prerrogativa
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desse participante, só o que um participante do ATM não
>>>> pode
>>>>>>> fazer
>>>>>>>>>> é
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ter menor capacidade do que o interesse de tráfego
>>>>> existente.
>>>>>> Se
>>>>>>>>>> ele
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> diminui tráfego provavelmente está se afastando e não
>>> se
>>>>>>>>>> aproximando
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desse problema.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rubens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2011/12/6 Klemenson Leal Anacleto<klemenson at gmail.com
>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alguem do NIC poderia dar alguma informação mais
>>>> concreta?
>>>>>>> Quase
>>>>>>>>>> 24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> horas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ja...Será algum problema, ou algum participande como o
>>>>> google
>>>>>>>>>> deixo de
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anunciar algumas rotas?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Klemenson LEal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 6 de dezembro de 2011 16:46, Rubens Kuhl<
>>>>>> rubensk at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Os PIX IB Telecom e USP registraram quedas similares.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rubens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2011/12/6 Rafael Galdino da Cunha<
>>>>>>> sup.rafaelgaldino at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rubens, eu estava olhando nos agregados no ptt-sp e
>>>> para
>>>>>>> alguns
>>>>>>>>>> não
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uma queda como ocorreu ontem de 20:00 hórario de
>>>>> brasilia.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> notei uma queda brusca apenas no da alog segue:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://sp.ptt.br/trafego2.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gblx teve uma queda brusca
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alog teve uma queda brusca
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> não sei se tem relação pois notei apenas isso.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tem ideia do que realmente tenha sido?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> att.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rafael Galdino
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 6 de dezembro de 2011 15:47, Jean Carlos Bartzen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jean at deltatele.com.br>escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aqui percebo uma lentidao tremenda para videos do
>>>>>>> youtube....
>>>>>>>>>> Tanto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PTT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quanto GVT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 6 de dezembro de 2011 16:42, Jociano Araujo -
>>>> Infoweb
>>>>>>> Banda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Larga
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jociano at infowebbandalarga.com.br>  escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aqui usamos UNOTEL e nosso acesso ao Google passa
>>>> pelo
>>>>>>> PTT-SP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jociano Araújo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sócio-Diretor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jociano at infowebbandalarga.com.br
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Infoweb Internet Banda Larga.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.infowebbandalarga.com.br
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Mensagem original-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> De: caiu-bounces at eng.registro.br [mailto:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caiu-bounces at eng.registro.br
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nome de Rubens Kuhl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enviada em: terça-feira, 6 de dezembro de 2011
>>> 16:35
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para: Lista das indisponibilidades da Internet
>>>>> brasileira
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Assunto: Re: [caiu] PTT SPO
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2011/12/6 Rafael Galdino da Cunha<
>>>>>>>>>> sup.rafaelgaldino at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alguem tem mais alguma nocidade, estou vendo que
>>>> ainda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continua o
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mesmo problema.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alguem da alog?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Porque da Alog se a queda de tráfego se deve ao
>>> AS do
>>>>>>> Google ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rubens
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Klemenson L. Anacleto
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